Dream Interpretation
February 11, 2012, 04:34:39 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
News: Dream Interpretation - Free Dream Interpretation Forum
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: very strange dream  (Read 1821 times)
dreamermom38
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Posts: 1


View Profile
« on: January 04, 2009, 05:51:01 PM »

My uncle was in my dream. (he passed away last year). I was showing him my new apartment and he even saw my new daughter who is 1 years old. I gave him a hug also.  I was also outside with a bunch of people. They were eating venison and it seemed it was poisoned because everybody was getting sick. My husband was also in my dream. (he passed away in 2003).  He himself also got sick and there was police cars. He took the meat to one of the police cars. I also remember that I forgot my keys at home. My kids were also on a going on a bus to. I am confused about this dream. If you can get any insight in this dream it would be very appreciated. Thank you very much.                                              Fran
Logged
Lugus
Full Member
***

Karma: 13
Posts: 136


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2009, 10:34:24 PM »

I'm not sure if I understand everything that is going on in this dream but I have a few ideas that might help and might point you in the right direction. 

It may very well be that your dead uncle's spirit did visit you in this dream.  I believe that we sometimes have visits from dead people in our dreams ... so, you never know.

If you have a new apartment in real life, then it may represent your new home.  However, I would typically interpret a new apartment/home as reflecting something new about the dreamer.   

You are outside with a bunch of people.  They may also represent real people but I would usually interpret these people as being dream people from the dreamer?s unconscious. 

These people are eating venison but there is a problem.  But, there is a problem.  The meat seems to be poisoned because everyone is getting sick. 

Eating dream food is almost always a good sign.  It typically is a reflection of growth and development of the dreamer.  Unfortunately, this food is not good.  The meat is venison, which is deer meat.  The deer is one of the animals that is associated with the 4th chakra (at the heart).       

Your deceased husband is also in the dream.  He seems to have eaten some of the meat because he also got sick.  But, is this the spirit of your real husband or is this a symbol from your unconscious?  I'm not sure but I suspect that he is a symbol from the unconscious (from what Jung called the collective unconscious).  To me, his being a symbol is consistent with his also being poisoned like the other dream people.

There are also police cars with, apparently, police in this dream.  I usually interpret police as being (what I like to call) agents of the Self.  The primary job of the agent is to let the Self know what is happening in a dream. 

Your husband took the meat to one of the police cars.  This implies that he is cooperating and wants to resolve the problem of the poisoned venison.

I'm also not too sure about the meaning of your leaving the keys at home.  It might somehow refer to your lack of control of the events in the dream.  Or, if the keys are car keys, it might mean that you are lacking direction in your life.

Your kids were going on a bus (perhaps a school bus).  Here again there is the problem of trying to determine where the real people end and the dream people begin.  But, either way, going to school is almost always a good sign.  If the children are parts of your unconscious, then their going to school is equivalent to parts of the dreamer going to school.

Sorry that I couldn't be more helpful but, at least, I gave you a few things to think about.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2009, 09:16:03 AM by Lugus » Logged
Kai
Newbie
*

Karma: 1
Posts: 27


View Profile
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2009, 01:46:26 AM »

Lugus,

A question regarding "The deer is one of the animals that is associated with the 4th chakra (at the heart)." If this piece of information is not in the dreamer's brain, is it still relevant for interpreting her dream?  If it does, you must assume that some deity who has this information manipulated this dream. Otherwise, if a dream is purely my own creation, I'd not imbed heart matter to deer meet just like I don't speak Greek in my dreams...

Logged
Lugus
Full Member
***

Karma: 13
Posts: 136


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2009, 11:01:56 AM »

Please bear with me.  I believe that the best way to answer this question is to take a look at the Jungian approach to the psyche.
 
In the psychology of Carl Jung, there are many things that we are not consciously aware of.  We are not consciously aware of them because they are in the unconscious.

I've read of the psyche being compared to a massive iceberg.  The conscious part is what is seen.  But, there is still a part that is below the surface; it is the unconscious.  By its very nature, the contents of the unconscious are difficult to know.  However, the unconscious still exists.  There are two parts to the unconscious: the personal unconscious and the collective unconscious.       

Some things are in our personal unconscious.  This would be things that we used to know but have since forgotten.  For example, I used to know the names of the children in my class when I was 10 years old.  But, now I would be lucky to remember any of them.  However, their names are still in my personal unconscious.

And, there is also the collective unconscious.  Unlike the personal unconscious, the contents of the collective unconscious were never consciously known.  The collective unconscious is the source of archetypes.  The collective unconscious is called "collective" because it is common to many people.  It is that part of the psyche that is inherited from our ancestors.  This is why we sometimes have dreams of deities that were worshiped by our ancestors.       

The symbolism of the chakras is one of those things that is in the collective unconscious.  We don't have to teach our dreams about the 4th chakra.  The information is already there in the collective unconscious in the form of archetypes.  However, the archetypes have no definite shape.  That is why we don't really see archetypes in our dreams.  Instead, we see symbols of these archetypes.  The form that one of these symbols takes comes from the other parts of the psyche.  For example, if we time traveled to Australia of 1000 years ago, we might meet some natives who had 4th chakra dreams.  However, they had never heard of deer; therefore, they would have another animal as a symbol of the 4th chakra.  It might be a kangaroo or perhaps a koala or a wombat. 

Hope this helps.
Logged
Kai
Newbie
*

Karma: 1
Posts: 27


View Profile
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2009, 02:54:52 PM »

Lugus,

Thanks! If I translate what I understand my language, you are essentially saying that part of our memories is actually inherited, and these inherited memories only surface in dreams or other subconscious ways, because they are unaccessible to the conscious mind? In addition, am I correct to understand that Jung based his theory on loosely defined statistics and deciphering dreams of, say, a few thousand people? I am curious of the size of his ensemble, because I am not aware of experimental evidences of inherited memories. Or do you actually know any? From the brain chemistry point of view, however, I can dream up some reactions and pathways that make it possible... However, I imagine they'd have been tested by some no so complicated experiments...

It is getting more interesting. Maybe I will do a thorough literature search for early studies of "unconscious".

Logged
Kai
Newbie
*

Karma: 1
Posts: 27


View Profile
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2009, 10:49:17 PM »

Lugus-

I spent sometime researching on the possibility of inherited memory. It seems to be against everything we know at molecular level genetics and brain chemistry. Animal instincts can be inherited. They are essentially reflexes controlled by lower part of the brain. Memory associates abstract meaning to objects is definitely controlled by higher part of the brain. In order for it to be passed from generation to generation, a structure has to be encrypted to some kind of genetic substance, most likely DNA and on very rare occasions RNA or proteins. This process seems very unlikely from what we known so far from the brain end. Well, the sequencing of human genome is being advanced dramatically, almost everyday we find new genes. You think one day we can find genes related to "unconscious"?

Kai
Logged
Lugus
Full Member
***

Karma: 13
Posts: 136


View Profile
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2009, 05:40:12 PM »

My understanding is that Jung based his theory on observations.  This would be his observations of thousands of dreams and working with many patients/clients.   

Like you, I know of no experimental work to support the idea of inherited memories.  However, there is a great amount of literature on Carl Jung and his ideas; thus, I?m reluctant to say that such work does not exist. 

It may be that the dilemma is not with our understanding of genetics and inheritance.  But, instead, it could be due to our lack of understanding of the nature of the collective unconscious and its contents (archetypes).

?Pietikainen (1998a, p. 335) argued that there is no evidence for the genetic inheritance of archetypes. Pietikainen (1998b, p. 380) suggested instead that archetypes are 'culturally determined symbolic forms', that is, that they are transmitted by learning. Hogenson (1998, pp. 367-8) disagreed with both Stevens and Pietikainen. He referred to recent work in cognitive science and suggested, as did Jung, that we inherit not a generalized image but the tendency or the potential to form the image.http://www.jungny.com/jap94web.html 
Logged
joynsyde
Sr. Member
****

Karma: 19
Posts: 294


Life beyond 3 dimensions...


View Profile
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2009, 12:54:25 PM »

In order to study it scientifically, you'd have to hold the belief that everything that is real can be observed as a part of matter, via microscopes, and Xrays.  But if you believe, like I do, that our spirits are not made of physical substance, there is much less of a problem accepting ideas like the collective unconscious, archetypes, etc.  Why couldn't these things be spiritual in nature, and therefore unobservable by scientific instruments?
Logged

"Your eye is a lamp that provides light for your body. When your eye is good, your whole body is filled with light. But when it is bad, your body is filled with darkness. Make sure that the light you think you have is not actually darkness."  (~Jesus) Luke 11:34-35
Kai
Newbie
*

Karma: 1
Posts: 27


View Profile
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2009, 05:25:52 PM »

Lugus: Thanks for the references.

Joynsyde: Many scientists are religious or spiritual. The basic assumption of science is that a sound theory predicts processes/results that can be reproduced. We don't care if the detector is optical or mechanical. Sometimes we don't even care if there is a detector. As for your theory that spirits play a role in your dream, since we know that dreams are  activities of the brain, you have to ask yourself how spirits interact with brains. Alternatively, you can just believe. It is not wise to argue with people who simply choose to believe. We all know in the course of human history people believed in all sorts of things.
Logged
joynsyde
Sr. Member
****

Karma: 19
Posts: 294


Life beyond 3 dimensions...


View Profile
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2009, 12:49:41 AM »

As for your theory that spirits play a role in your dream, since we know that dreams are  activities of the brain, you have to ask yourself how spirits interact with brains. Alternatively, you can just believe. It is not wise to argue with people who simply choose to believe. We all know in the course of human history people believed in all sorts of things.

I'm not saying I understand how everything works together.  I'm rather an abstract thinker; I appreciate science extremely (mostly on an abstract level, if that makes any sense--I like the concepts but not all the gory details), but couldn't hold my own in a scientific debate.  Actually, come to think of it, I'm not very good at debating at all...

Anyhow...  I don't believe that you should "just believe" things; there should be reasons you believe things, and it should fit in with a logical worldview.  But my point was not: you should just swallow the ideas of archetypes, inherited memories, and so on because it's a "spiritual idea," which intrinsically can't be proven.  Honestly, I haven't yet decided where I stand on the idea of inherited memory. My point was: just because we can't "find" a physical connection (right now) between what we know about our brains and the idea of inherited memories, or any other theory, doesn't necessarily make the theory untrue.  We just have to be careful what we reject because it doesn't fit with our science, and keep an open mind.

We know that dreams at least affect our brains, but are they really "created by" our brains?  If dreams are created by our brains, which we consider to be physical things, then dreams should fit neatly into some kind of scientific mold.

But what if dreams actually happen outside of our physical bodies, and simply transmit "through" our brains, so to speak?

Let me tell you how I'm looking at it.  We are told by our physicists that they can prove that our universe exists on 10 dimensions.  Theoretically there could be more, but we've proven 10 somehow.  We as humans are only directly aware of 4 (if you count time as the fourth dimension, but that's debatable.) 
Let's pretend that we exist only on 2 dimensions, not 3.  We would be "flat" compared to a 3-dimensional creature.  If a 3D creature (eg a sphere) interacted with our 2D world (a plane), it would be difficult for us 2s to understand what it was or what was going on.  It would start out as a dot, gradually grow to a small circle that increases in size to the fullest measure of the diameter of the sphere, then shrink back to a dot and disappear.  This would be miraculous to us 2D beings, but perfectly normal to a 3D one to show itself to us. 
Things can happen in a 3D world that never even affect or are observed by the 2D world.  So if we go up into higher dimensions, logically, we can assume that there is much "room" for things to happen in higher dimensions that never affect our third one.  Anything that does come to our 3rd dimension from a higher dimension may take a form that our minds and scientific instruments have a hard time measuring or understanding.

Maybe you're coming to the scientific conclusion that I'm just dementedCheesy
It's a fun conversation, and I hope I don't come across as adversarial!
Logged

"Your eye is a lamp that provides light for your body. When your eye is good, your whole body is filled with light. But when it is bad, your body is filled with darkness. Make sure that the light you think you have is not actually darkness."  (~Jesus) Luke 11:34-35
joynsyde
Sr. Member
****

Karma: 19
Posts: 294


Life beyond 3 dimensions...


View Profile
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2009, 06:54:50 PM »

Thought I would tag on a website that talks a bit about dimensions. Such a fascinating subject
http://library.thinkquest.org/04apr/01330/newphysics/ndimensions.htm

It's my feeling, though I wouldn't be able to prove or argue about it, that as humans our spirits/souls somehow occupy a dimension higher than the 3rd or 4th.  Since it's still part of our identities, our N-Dimensional spirits (N= unknown number) somehow interact/connect with our 3-D physical bodies.
Logged

"Your eye is a lamp that provides light for your body. When your eye is good, your whole body is filled with light. But when it is bad, your body is filled with darkness. Make sure that the light you think you have is not actually darkness."  (~Jesus) Luke 11:34-35
kgree
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Posts: 3


View Profile
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2009, 04:57:22 PM »

Joynsyde,

I'm Kai. Haven't checked this site for a while, forgot my password, created a new account. I appreciate your messages. Whenever we organize something at home, discussions like this pops up quite a bit. My wife and I are both scientists and we're aware that we  often act as party poopers.

Regarding collective memory, you and I actually share a similar attitude.

Regarding higher dimensions, I don't know if you are aware that 10- or 11- dimension theories are all derived from "string theory" in an attempt to unite quantum and general relativity theories to explain extremely high energy phenomena, such as a black hole. In their work, the additional dimensions other than the 4d space-time are simply irrelevant to our earthly matters. My wife happens to be a high energy physicist. I am a medical doctor/biochemist. Since the two of us met 15 years ago, we've been engaging in the discussion if or not those high dimension ideas can find their analogies in biology. We haven't found anything. Near-death sensations such as one floating above one's body can be simulated if we experiment with nerves. We also always manage to explain ghostly experiences that  brought to the attention of our lab  using the neurology (or physics) we know.
Logged
joynsyde
Sr. Member
****

Karma: 19
Posts: 294


Life beyond 3 dimensions...


View Profile
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2009, 01:58:52 AM »

Ah, and here I had thought you were either disgusted with trying to get through to a know-nothing wannabe, or else completely intimidated by my dazzling display of knowledge and intelligence!   Grin
Glad that it's neither.  Ha ha.

Don't worry about being a party pooper.  I'm not a moderator, but I'm under the impression that all opinions are welcome here.  Who wants to be like everyone else, anyway?

I'm sure that you and your wife know much more about dimension theories than I do, though I am aware that they are "just" theories right now.  I have seen them discussed in a mathematical/geometry context, as well as a general physics context, so I assumed that all scientists were playing with this idea, not just scientists focusing on quantum and general relativity.  I did not know that scientists from other disciplines could not use/apply these theories. 

Whether or not our spirits and emotions occupy a higher dimension, or just simply exist outside of our physical world at all, the point is that somehow they do exist, (I would argue, anyway.)  And dream interpretation is very much a "soft science," in that you can't do much experimenting or proving of anything, since you're dealing with unseen areas of emotions, etc.  You kind of learn what seems to work as you go along.  By learning things that "seem to work," like the blind men studying the elephant, you develop a feel for what the soul is like, how it functions.  Perhaps things like chakras and so on are attempts to map out discoveries in the soul based on observations.  I'm neither Hindu nor New Age, so I don't know anything about the theories of the chakras.
Logged

"Your eye is a lamp that provides light for your body. When your eye is good, your whole body is filled with light. But when it is bad, your body is filled with darkness. Make sure that the light you think you have is not actually darkness."  (~Jesus) Luke 11:34-35
huamm234
Full Member
***

Karma: 0
Posts: 173


View Profile
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2011, 08:17:09 PM »

primary school, aunt sent me a 24-hole harmonica polyphony became my favorite instrument, can also be played by self . Two years ago suddenly want to pick up the harmonica, check the Internet found a , it took a German online HOHNER the Blues Harp MS.
 ; ;
 
just get the piano when
 really shocked, I did not expect such a small, thought it was a toy does, however, on the ten hole harmonica with the deepening of learning,观赤壁有感, I found 10 more holes in the fact encompassed a large band, blues harmonica train can mimic the sound of human voices, especially the Institute of tremor sound, pressure and other blues harmonica sound unique skills, the more that the charm of the ten holes in the infinite, through a few simple notes and easy rhythm blues, can perform a very romantic atmosphere, especially in the corporate corridor echo effect when playing, so it is refreshing, it does not blow an hour a day really is not fun. Not only feel good about themselves, his wife and neighbors are beginning to think I blew bears. The following excerpt on the website a Xiao-song words to express my love of blues harmonica:
Why
 blues harmonica
 
 to play blues harmonica is the greatest joy of my life one, I may not be a good player, but I love the blues harmonica, even if it sometimes is not look at him,air force one mid shoes, overflow from the bottom of my heart a special feeling, then I briefly talk about the blues harmonica I chose as my favorite reasons why the instrument.
 1, blues harmonica is the closest to the human voice as a musical instrument, the pressure of the existence of sound and other skills playing blues harmonica as you own up and sing or speak,Happy Farm realized from the revelation of life, use your tongue to control the pitch of the sound pressure to sounds like the same freedom to control their own,air force one, in your master these techniques, the harmonica became a part of you, it can most aptly express your feelings, you can control your own mouth as the tongue, like control of the harmonica, which express different feelings, or depression or is joy.
 2, harmonica blowing and suction is the only instrument can sound, so you will not learn it as difficult as playing the trumpet or the saxophone, playing blues harmonica is like a breath then simple.
 3, blues harmonica can play chords, and other reed instruments can play a lot of tone melody, the harmonica can play chords, so that the fullness of your playing great, by modifying the harmonica chromatic chords can get many different effects, to the time you will certainly be fascinated.
 4,我喜欢你,很久了。等你,也很久了。现在,我要离开,比很久很久还要久, blues harmonica sound compression technology, so you can get results like the guitar string bending, a very smooth slide from one tone to another, this is the harmonica can not do the other This is very important, if you like blues music, then do not miss the blues harmonica.
 5, when playing blues harmonica with a very is the same, the pitch of your voice completely on pressure you feel to control, use your ears to judge, of course, when you master these skills after the harmonica is a part of your body, which is why I always play blues harmonica than the As for singing, you sing when you may not even know what notes to sing, but you sing something for you to get a happy,air force one 25th, playing blues harmonica, he can play like singing and moving.
 6, Blues Harmonica entry is very simple, anyone can quickly grasp the methods and blow it playing some very blues piece is, of course,air force one low, this is the right way to grasp the premise. But one thing to remember, blues harmonica is the most difficult one to reach the ultimate pinnacle of musical instruments, there are many many sounds pretty good musicians, but the top of the master is not much, especially in China.
 7, learning blues harmonica music theory does not require a deep foundation, if you can hear a song and can sing it, you can learn blues harmonica, in fact, I rarely read the music score and the like, but this does not mean that music theory is not important, to become a professional musician, music theory and professional training is essential.
 8, blues harmonica is one of the last feature of the instrument, if you add in the band even if only a few blues harmonica, it will create a special effect, I always think that this simple 10 holes hiding something magic,air force ones!
 9,air force 1 low shoes, blowing blues harmonica who are A good guitarist to go through continuous practice and more practice, but a good harmonica player seems more likely to create, you can practice anytime, anywhere, the premise is not to disturb the others.
 10, the last point, compared to the guitar blues harmonica is a very cheap instrument, unless you do a good job as a professional musician or a collector of preparation.
Logged
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.12 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!